[SGVLUG] [OT]Hybrids and trains (was fuel prices and the dollar)

[Dan Borne]

But those are including the oil sands; more BTUs worth of natural gas are
used to extract the petroleum than the BTU value of the petrol itself.

2008/5/14 Christopher Smith <cbsmith at gmail.com>:

>  Sadly, like most things about oil, we tend to be fairly misinformed.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_reserves#Canada
>
> Actually, Canada is #2 now that oil prices are so high, and that's NOT
> including suspected massive reserves in the Arctic. Furthermore, there is a
> fair bit of evidence that most OPEC nations overstate their reserves in
> order to have a larger share of quotas, so it is possible Canada is already
> #1 in terms of "real" reserves.
>
> --Chris
>
>
> Dan Borne wrote:
>
> Canada does not have as large petrol or gas reserves as the US, Russia,
> Saudia Arabia and some others.
>
> Sorry, I do not understand your connexion.
>
> 2008/5/14 Christopher Smith <x at xman.org>:
>
>> Yeah, just like it was during our last energy crisis. :-)
>>
>> As the price of petrochemicals goes up, so do the options for oil and gas
>> producers. If the prices get much higher, Canada may become the richest
>> source of oil reserves in the world within a few years. Not to mention that
>> wind power starts to become a really nice alternative to coal/gas/oil,
>> reducing our need to consume it for power generation.
>>
>> --Chris
>>
>> Dan Borne wrote:
>>
>>> Well quite soon oil production levels will fall; it is reaching its peak.
>>>
>>>  2008/5/14 Christopher Smith <x at xman.org <mailto:x at xman.org>>:
>>>
>>>    I blogged about this phenomena a fair while back:
>>>
>>>    http://blog.360.yahoo.com/blog-NGG_XKMyebVXpbF6EpCU?p=193
>>>
>>>    That said, oil production levels aren't growing too quickly these
>>>    days, so energy conservation measures (particularly significant
>>>    ones, like driving less and/or driving more fuel efficient
>>>    vehicles) really are the most effective way for us to alter the
>>>    supply/demand situation in the short term. In the long term, you
>>>    need some other source of energy (see:
>>>    http://google.org/rec.html) to become more cost effective than
>>>    petrochemicals to really have a lasting impact.
>>>
>>>    --Chris
>>>
>>>    Dan Borne wrote:
>>>
>>>        I would be willing to bet that that is so (especially in Los
>>>        Angeles) but I mean does converting ever car into a hybrid
>>>        really do much in terms of energy savings? I would be willing
>>>        to bet that in a sort time the energy consumption of the world
>>>        would soon reach pre-hybrid levels.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>        2008/5/14 Rae Yip <rae.yip at gmail.com
>>>         <mailto:rae.yip at gmail.com> <mailto:rae.yip at gmail.com
>>>        <mailto:rae.yip at gmail.com>>>:
>>>
>>>
>>>           Don't forget regenerative braking; this is a big win for
>>>        hybrid and
>>>           electric vehicles because it saves wear and tear on the
>>>        brake pads as
>>>           well as improving mileage.
>>>
>>>           So even if the Prius loses 1/3 of the energy it stores in the
>>>           batteries, much of that energy would simply have been
>>>        discarded in a
>>>           regular car - 100% loss!
>>>
>>>           Naturally, you don't something for nothing. As people have
>>>        said,
>>>           there's added weight. But I doubt the auto makers would add a
>>>           component that wasn't a net gain, and the real world data
>>>        bears it
>>>           out.
>>>
>>>           In stop-and-go traffic (is there any other sort in LA?),
>>>        I'm fairly
>>>           certain hybrid vehicles are more efficient, no matter how
>>>        well you
>>>           follow your car's fuel consumption map.
>>>
>>>           -Rae.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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