[SGVLUG] ATT DSL Gateway choices, which gateway do you like?

Tue Aug 14 14:58:58 PDT 2012

Hmm interrsting, I haven't tried that. I no longer need the static ips and att will be getting rid of them on Friday, but maybe I'll try it out in the meantime. I never really saw any way to do that through the config pages, but maybe through telnet?

Eric Gillingham <gillingham at bikezen.net> wrote:

>Assuming you have multiple static IPs, which it sounds like you do and
>are trying to get that to work, have you tried configuring your router
>to request multiple IPs over DHCP, or having your router proxy DHCP
>requests to the modem in bridge mode, from the official manual on that
>website it makes it seem like that *should* work.
>
>This is a similar setup to what I used on my uverse modem.
>
>- Eric
>
>On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 2:14 PM, Doug <dougvargas at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> You can see this page for a whole bunch of info, the bridging instructions are about halfway down: http://www.ron-berman.com/2011/11/24/motorola-nvg510-help-page-for-att-u-verse-users/
>> What's really annoying is that when you do that you can only bridge one ip address, thus defeating the whole point of static ips.
>>
>> Eric Gillingham <gillingham at bikezen.net> wrote:
>>
>>>Can you explain what not doing bridging well means? Having something
>>>only kind of bridge seems odd. I'm curious as I had the 2wire wireless
>>>gateway when I had uverse less than a year ago, wondering if their
>>>equipment did radically change or there's something else amiss we can
>>>diagnose.
>>>
>>>- Eric
>>>
>>>On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 1:59 PM, Doug <dougvargas at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>> Yeah, even their new router/modem can't really do bridging well. If you want to configure your equipment at all, stay far, faaaar away from the motorola nvg510...
>>>>
>>>> Eric Gillingham <gillingham at bikezen.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>I should note both the 2wire uverse router and the normal dsl modem att
>>>>>provided to me had a bridge mode setting I used just fine to bypass their
>>>>>lack of functionality.
>>>>>On Aug 13, 2012 3:22 PM, "Dan Buthusiem" <dan.buthusiem at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh, and Doug, just buy a cheapie single port ADSL2+ modem and put it into
>>>>>> bridge mode. Make sure you set the DSL config to VPI 0 / VCI 35, then use
>>>>>> the router of your choice. 2Wire equipment doesn't seem to be made with the
>>>>>> end user's needs in mind. If you're a regular home user, it'll suffice. If
>>>>>> you're a nerd (hint: if you're on our list, you probably resemble that
>>>>>> description - one of us, one of us), you'll learn to hate them the more you
>>>>>> try to push it.
>>>>>> On Aug 13, 2012 2:58 PM, "Dan Buthusiem" <dan.buthusiem at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I deal with them regularly, and anything I haven't learned from their
>>>>>>> Level 2 techs, I got from digging through forums, wikipedia links, and over
>>>>>>> 5 years of trial and error at work. Glad I could be of service. If Matti
>>>>>>> still needs a spare modem, I still have it ready to lend. Also, I'm happy
>>>>>>> to answer any other questions if anyone has them. :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - Dan B.
>>>>>>> On Aug 13, 2012 2:12 PM, "Matthew Campbell" <dvdmatt at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nice explanation Dan, great support too.  I wish they would take a
>>>>>>>> lesson from you!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We all really appreciate useful responses like this one from our
>>>>>>>> friends.  This really is a great LUG.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Matt
>>>>>>>>  On Aug 13, 2012 8:10 AM, "Dan Buthusiem" <dan.buthusiem at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Doug, can you get me your line levels? In the usual screens for that
>>>>>>>>> info, there should be something labeled "_____ path" with either
>>>>>>>>> 'interleaved' or 'fast' as a value. Fast path gives you lower pings
>>>>>>>>> (10-20ms), but is less resilient against noise. Interleaved can handle
>>>>>>>>> noisier lines, at a cost of having a higher ping (45-70ms). My guess is the
>>>>>>>>> tech changed your config in the DSLAM to compensate for a deteriorating
>>>>>>>>> line. A Level 2 tech can explain it to you if you're savvy enough to hold
>>>>>>>>> on to all the frequency explanations. You can have the tech remotely change
>>>>>>>>> you back to fast path if you're on interleaved, but if you start having
>>>>>>>>> sync problems, you'll have to go back.
>>>>>>>>> On Aug 13, 2012 1:28 AM, "Doug" <dougvargas at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ugh story of my life...I USED to have under 10ms ping to my favorite
>>>>>>>>>> counter strike server, att came out and made "repairs" and now I'm lucky if
>>>>>>>>>> I get 50, it's a great quantitative measurement of how much they suck lol.
>>>>>>>>>> Not to mention that their static ip service comes with a router THAT WON'T
>>>>>>>>>> ROUTE IP ADDRESSES. I'm going to be switching isps, my deepest sympathies
>>>>>>>>>> that you can't :(
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Matthew Campbell <dvdmatt at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >I have uVerse and POTS.  They never asked me to drop one for the
>>>>>>>>>> other.
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >I had a 6Mbit connection for years, then AT&T 'upgraded' wiring in our
>>>>>>>>>> >neighborhood and my rate dropped to 2.  I called, I complained, I
>>>>>>>>>> ranted
>>>>>>>>>> >and raved and they insisted that I had never had better than 2 and
>>>>>>>>>> that I
>>>>>>>>>> >should go away.  I ended up having to cut the wire to my house and
>>>>>>>>>> hook the
>>>>>>>>>> >modem up outside to show them the poor rate.  They came out and fixed
>>>>>>>>>> it,
>>>>>>>>>> >back to 6Mb/s finally!  Four weeks later it dropped back to 2.  I
>>>>>>>>>> ranted
>>>>>>>>>> >and raved and they eventually fixed it.  Four months later it dropped
>>>>>>>>>> >again.  This time they fixed it in 48 hours.  All in all, just
>>>>>>>>>> counting the
>>>>>>>>>> >hours I have logged I have spent 92 unpaid hours on the phone with
>>>>>>>>>> AT&T
>>>>>>>>>> >sorting out their incorrect billing or crappy service over the last 2
>>>>>>>>>> years.
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >They are the worst company I have ever had the misfortune to deal
>>>>>>>>>> with.
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >And they have the government backed monopoly in my neighborhood, no
>>>>>>>>>> way to
>>>>>>>>>> >change to anything else.
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >Matt
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >P.S.  In their favor their billing was never off more than $500 and
>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>> >didn't cut my service more than twice due to their own internal
>>>>>>>>>> billing
>>>>>>>>>> >mistakes.
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >---------
>>>>>>>>>> >*Matthew Campbell*
>>>>>>>>>> >Storage Solution Consultant
>>>>>>>>>> >Storage Design and Engineering
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >*Kaiser Permanente*
>>>>>>>>>> >IMG-Systems Integration
>>>>>>>>>> >99 S. Oakland
>>>>>>>>>> >Pasadena, CA 91101
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >626-564-7228 (office)
>>>>>>>>>> >8-338-7228 (tie-line)
>>>>>>>>>> >818-314-9897 (mobile phone)
>>>>>>>>>> >Green Center 3-North, 031W29
>>>>>>>>>> >---------
>>>>>>>>>> >*kp.org/thrive*
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 5:43 PM, Scott Packard <spackard at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >> > Just make sure you still have a regular copper drop in the event
>>>>>>>>>> of an
>>>>>>>>>> >> emergency. Sure, the VoIP gateway has a hefty battery backup, but I
>>>>>>>>>> still
>>>>>>>>>> >> prefer having an old fashioned phone line just in case (911 doesn't
>>>>>>>>>> require
>>>>>>>>>> >> a phone service account with telco, just a working jack with dial
>>>>>>>>>> tone).
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> You can't.  If you sign up for Uverse they force you off of POTS.
>>>>>>>>>> >> I've been there, tried that.  Fought that.  Wrote letters.
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> Regards, Scott
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 5:28 PM, Dan Buthusiem <
>>>>>>>>>> dan.buthusiem at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >>> Just make sure you still have a regular copper drop in the event
>>>>>>>>>> of an
>>>>>>>>>> >>> emergency. Sure, the VoIP gateway has a hefty battery backup, but
>>>>>>>>>> I still
>>>>>>>>>> >>> prefer having an old fashioned phone line just in case (911
>>>>>>>>>> doesn't require
>>>>>>>>>> >>> a phone service account with telco, just a working jack with dial
>>>>>>>>>> tone).
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>