[SGVLUG] [OT]Hybrids and trains (was fuel prices and the dollar)

[Dan Borne]

Canada does not have as large petrol or gas reserves as the US, Russia,
Saudia Arabia and some others.

Sorry, I do not understand your connexion.

2008/5/14 Christopher Smith <x at xman.org>:

> Yeah, just like it was during our last energy crisis. :-)
>
> As the price of petrochemicals goes up, so do the options for oil and gas
> producers. If the prices get much higher, Canada may become the richest
> source of oil reserves in the world within a few years. Not to mention that
> wind power starts to become a really nice alternative to coal/gas/oil,
> reducing our need to consume it for power generation.
>
> --Chris
>
> Dan Borne wrote:
>
>> Well quite soon oil production levels will fall; it is reaching its peak.
>>
>> 2008/5/14 Christopher Smith <x at xman.org <mailto:x at xman.org>>:
>>
>>    I blogged about this phenomena a fair while back:
>>
>>    http://blog.360.yahoo.com/blog-NGG_XKMyebVXpbF6EpCU?p=193
>>
>>    That said, oil production levels aren't growing too quickly these
>>    days, so energy conservation measures (particularly significant
>>    ones, like driving less and/or driving more fuel efficient
>>    vehicles) really are the most effective way for us to alter the
>>    supply/demand situation in the short term. In the long term, you
>>    need some other source of energy (see:
>>    http://google.org/rec.html) to become more cost effective than
>>    petrochemicals to really have a lasting impact.
>>
>>    --Chris
>>
>>    Dan Borne wrote:
>>
>>        I would be willing to bet that that is so (especially in Los
>>        Angeles) but I mean does converting ever car into a hybrid
>>        really do much in terms of energy savings? I would be willing
>>        to bet that in a sort time the energy consumption of the world
>>        would soon reach pre-hybrid levels.
>>
>>
>>
>>        2008/5/14 Rae Yip <rae.yip at gmail.com
>>        <mailto:rae.yip at gmail.com> <mailto:rae.yip at gmail.com
>>        <mailto:rae.yip at gmail.com>>>:
>>
>>
>>           Don't forget regenerative braking; this is a big win for
>>        hybrid and
>>           electric vehicles because it saves wear and tear on the
>>        brake pads as
>>           well as improving mileage.
>>
>>           So even if the Prius loses 1/3 of the energy it stores in the
>>           batteries, much of that energy would simply have been
>>        discarded in a
>>           regular car - 100% loss!
>>
>>           Naturally, you don't something for nothing. As people have
>>        said,
>>           there's added weight. But I doubt the auto makers would add a
>>           component that wasn't a net gain, and the real world data
>>        bears it
>>           out.
>>
>>           In stop-and-go traffic (is there any other sort in LA?),
>>        I'm fairly
>>           certain hybrid vehicles are more efficient, no matter how
>>        well you
>>           follow your car's fuel consumption map.
>>
>>           -Rae.
>>
>>
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