[SGVLUG] OT: reminder for those who went to MS Heroes event togetSQL NOW

[Charles N Wyble]

Dustin Laurence wrote:
> EnigmailChris Louden wrote:
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> I would second that.  LUGs serve a different purpose for a different
> audience.  It isn't that there aren't people doing enterprise work in
> LUGs, but they are inevitably the minority.  That's not bad, because
> there are other places focused on what they do.

Well aware of that. Not arguing that. Just saying that discussions about
enterprise use of open source software on LUG lists has many inaccuracies.

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> The UUASC list is possibly a bit closer to what OP wants, though perhaps
> not exactly; it's heavily weighted towards unix greybeards.  They also
> tolerate LUG type folk just fine, but they don't dominate as they do here.

I am on the UUASC list. Have many discussions there. It does have quite
a bit of enterprise type discussions.
>
> I find both very useful, for entirely different reasons.  Some questions
> just receive better answers one place and some the other.
Certainly. Exactly my point. :)

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> |> So you have a whole lot of home/hobbyist users saying "use open source
> |> software"
>
> Is that surprising?  LUGs are started by and for exactly those people.
> If it were up to the enterprise people, LUGs wouldn't exist.  They're
> too busy with the same stuff all day, and club stuff probably feels like
> a busman's holiday.  So it's precisely the hobbyists who believe in Free
> or Open software for their own reasons that volunteer the thankless time
> it takes.

Ok. First of all you took my quote out of context and didn't even quote
it completely.
Second of all I have nothing against LUGS. Or open source software. As I
mentioned in my first e-mail I have spent hundreds of hours working on
open source software. I speak 15 times a year at user groups. I run a
LUG. So.... try again. 

Its very unwise to take quotes out of context. Especially without
reading the entire context and doing a couple minutes of research into
the person who made them.

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> It's good to have both sorts in the same place, but both have to
> understand that they aren't the same people with the same goals, skills,
> or interests.

Well. I don't know..... I am a very strong believer in OpenSource/Free
Software. I want it to be used in enterprises. However I just want
people to be well informed about the choices they put forward.
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> | The Enterprise is concerned with one thing. Generating revenue.
>
> The name should be the tip-off: _Linux_ User's Group.  It is a club for
> people who say "Use Linux," and so it's expected that they post messages
> that say "Use Linux."

Um. Again. I don't disagree with that. Just want it to be used when
appropriate. And want the appropriate open source packages to be put
forward.