They use the old wire. It takes an act greater than God to get a new wire pulled.<br>It does not have as long a distance to go, though. It goes to a neighborhood node.<br><br>The modem is VHDSL, which looks good on paper. AT&T's billing system is deficient.<br>
Just look on slickdeals for uverse specials, and, study how many hours people<br>spend on the phone every month getting their bill corrected.<br><br>Regards, Scott<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 5:13 PM, matti <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mathew_2000@yahoo.com" target="_blank">mathew_2000@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="font-size:10pt;font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif"><div><br><span></span></div><div><span>Thanks Dan!</span></div>
<div><br><span></span></div><div><span>I've put cat5e line from the MPOE to the filter,</span></div><div><span>and from there split the phone and DSL.</span></div><div><br><span></span></div><div><span>So, inside wiring probably not the issue unless someone</span></div>
<div><span>has jacked with the wiring I did. Filter maybe, I can easily <br></span></div><div><span>substitute it.</span></div><div><br><span></span></div><div><span>Uverse - in theory I think it is available in this neighborhood.</span></div>
<div><span>What has been your experience: Would they run a new wire?</span></div><div>or just use the old one?</div><div><br></div><div>thanks</div><div>matti</div><div><br></div> <div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:10pt">
<div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt"> <div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">From:</span></b> Dan Buthusiem <<a href="mailto:dan.buthusiem@gmail.com" target="_blank">dan.buthusiem@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> SGVLUG Discussion List. <<a href="mailto:sgvlug@sgvlug.net" target="_blank">sgvlug@sgvlug.net</a>> <br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Sunday, August 12, 2012 10:50 PM<br>
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<div><div>Your line's too noisy for 3 Meg. 7 dB snr is low. You'll end up losing sync intermittently. The downstream attentuation isn't exactly terrible, but you're pushing it. Might get better results from downgrading to 1.5M, but you'll have troubke with things like Netflix. See if you're in Uverse turf. I know people who've magically been able to have new lines run to get their connection improved. The only other suggestion would be to switch to coax, since coax providers will usually (sloppily) run you a new line straight into your home. If you really want to stick with DSL, connect the modem directly into the customer side of your NID / demarc (the physical cutoff between your home wiring and AT&T's network), then measure your line levels again after you get sync. If your downstream SNR improves above 10, then your insid lines might be the problem. There's a chance it's filtering, since a bad filter causes interference with
your downstream, but I don't see that being likely with such a high attenuation. Unplug all of your phones and see if your SNR improves. Also, make sure the filters are on your phones, and *not* your modem. I don't really see you getting much of an improvement with a new modem, with the exception of an old Alcatel Speed Touch Home. Those things are ancient, but one of the best modems ever made.</div>
<div>On Aug 12, 2012 3:36 PM, "matti" <<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:mathew_2000@yahoo.com" target="_blank">mathew_2000@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div><div style="font-size:10pt;font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif"><div>Thanks Dan, how does this look to you?</div><div><br><span></span></div><div><span><br></span></div><table style="text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;font-variant:normal;text-align:left;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal;text-transform:none;font-size:12px;white-space:normal;margin:0px;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;border-width:0px;word-spacing:0px" cellspacing="0" width="718">
<tbody><tr valign="top"><td style="text-align:left;font-size:12px;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-weight:bold;padding:0px 15px 0px 0px">DSL Line (Wire Pair):</td><td style="text-align:left;font-size:11px;font-family:monospace;padding:0px">
Line 1 (inner pair)</td></tr><tr valign="top"><td style="text-align:left;font-size:12px;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-weight:bold;padding:3px 15px 0px 0px">Protocol:</td><td style="text-align:left;font-size:11px;font-family:monospace;padding:3px 0px 0px">
G.DMT Annex A</td></tr><tr valign="top"><td style="text-align:left;font-size:12px;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-weight:bold;padding:3px 15px 0px 0px">Downstream Rate:</td><td style="text-align:left;font-size:11px;font-family:monospace;padding:3px 0px 0px">
3008 kbps</td></tr><tr valign="top"><td style="text-align:left;font-size:12px;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-weight:bold;padding:3px 15px 0px 0px">Upstream Rate:</td><td style="text-align:left;font-size:11px;font-family:monospace;padding:3px 0px 0px">
512 kbps</td></tr><tr valign="top"><td style="text-align:left;font-size:12px;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-weight:bold;padding:3px 15px 0px 0px">Channel:</td><td style="text-align:left;font-size:11px;font-family:monospace;padding:3px 0px 0px">
Interleaved</td></tr><tr valign="top"><td style="text-align:left;font-size:12px;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-weight:bold;padding:3px 15px 0px 0px">Current Noise Margin:</td><td style="text-align:left;font-size:11px;font-family:monospace;padding:3px 0px 0px">
7.0 dB
(Downstream) 16.0 dB (Upstream)</td></tr><tr valign="top"><td style="text-align:left;font-size:12px;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-weight:bold;padding:3px 15px 0px 0px">Current Attenuation:</td><td style="text-align:left;font-size:11px;font-family:monospace;padding:3px 0px 0px">
50.1 dB (Downstream) 31.0 dB (Upstream)</td></tr><tr valign="top"><td style="text-align:left;font-size:12px;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-weight:bold;padding:3px 15px 0px 0px">Current Output Power:</td><td style="text-align:left;font-size:11px;font-family:monospace;padding:3px 0px 0px">
18.5 dBm (Downstream) 7.1 dBm (Upstream)</td></tr><tr valign="top"><td style="text-align:left;font-size:12px;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-weight:bold;padding:3px 15px 0px 0px">DSLAM Vendor Information:</td><td style="text-align:left;font-size:11px;font-family:monospace;padding:3px 0px 0px">
Country: {0xB5} Vendor: {BDCM} Specific: {0x4D54}</td></tr><tr valign="top"><td style="text-align:left;font-size:12px;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-weight:bold;padding:3px 15px 0px 0px">PVC Info:</td><td style="text-align:left;font-size:11px;font-family:monospace;padding:3px 0px 0px">
0/35</td></tr></tbody></table><br> <div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:10pt"> <div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt"> <div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial"> <hr size="1">
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">From:</span></b> Dan Buthusiem <<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:dan.buthusiem@gmail.com" target="_blank">dan.buthusiem@gmail.com</a>><br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> SGVLUG Discussion List. <<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:sgvlug@sgvlug.net" target="_blank">sgvlug@sgvlug.net</a>> <br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Sunday, August 12, 2012 10:08 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [SGVLUG] ATT DSL Gateway choices, which gateway do you like?<br> </font> </div>
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<div><div>I have a spare 2701 if you want it. I might be able to dig up a Netgear DG... Something. Did you ever get your line levels? Could you post your attenuation and noise / SNR? DSL is a bit of a specialty of mine.</div>
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