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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Take at least an introductory accounting
course. Most business programming has to conform to accounting
principles, and the computer department will often be under the controller or Chief
Financial Officer.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I also suggest a business management
course to get an overview of how businesses work and how to manage people. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, April 18, 2012
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> sgvlug@sgvlug.net<br>
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color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>If
you worked on school projects, make them available for hiring managers to see.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> matti
<mathew_2000@yahoo.com><br>
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, April 18,
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [SGVLUG] Advice to
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Hi,<br>
<br>
I'm very glad to see this discussion brought up, wished I had seen more
of <br>
this when I was entering the IT profession:<br>
<br>
<br>
"Program something before noon every day.<br>
Small is good.<br>
Don't be afraid to fail.<br>
Try test-driven development -- when it fits, it's very helpful."<br>
- Dan<br>
<br>
Dan has some great advice, and I do highly recommend the<br>
advice and guidance he gives out. Dan has a real internship,<br>
one which he will really help guide you. ( note, I suspect<br>
that many internships I see advertised on Craigslist are<br>
scamming people - the way to determine that is to see if<br>
someone there really has the talent and time to mentor an<br>
intern. )<br>
<br>
My advice ( everyone, PLEASE feel free to ad to this )<br>
========================================<br>
<br>
0) Get the best grades you can. The first couple jobs<br>
you will get may depend on this as well as the classes<br>
you may have taken.<br>
<br>
<br>
1) Follow Dan's advice ;)<br>
<br>
2) Learn as quickly as you can, and learn to retain.<br>
<br>
3) While in school, work on your networking - and I mean<br>
social networking. Your classmates and your instructors <br>
<br>
will be very important connections. <br>
<br>
<br>
4) Offer to tutor MBA students with their IT classes!<br>
Especially if they are already working. ( hint UCLA offers <br>
<br>
MBAs for working executives, and they have some $ to <br>
<br>
pay for your time ;-) [ This suggestion is<br>
to help you get better business connections. ]<br>
<br>
<br>
5) Join any business related clubs you can and make<br>
friends there. [ Note, never promise what you know you <br>
<br>
do not have time to deliver ]<br>
<br>
<br>
Early in your career:<br>
--------------------------------<br>
6) ONCE you stop learning you need to find a new job! <br>
<br>
<br>
7) DO not be afraid to take calculated risks early on.<br>
Find great opportunities to ad<st1:PersonName w:st="on">van</st1:PersonName>ce
your experiences.<br>
<br>
8) Try to do work which you will be proud to have done.<br>
<br>
<br>
hmmmm.... what else???<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
thanks<br>
matti<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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