<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><div><span>Which area do you want to go into? Hardware? Software? Application development? web based? desktop based? mobile based?</span></div><div><br></div><div style="font-size: 12pt; "><div style="font-size: 12pt; "><div dir="ltr"><font size="2" face="Arial"><hr size="1"><b>From:</b> Jesse Garcia <aicrag11@gmail.com><br><b>To:</b> SGVLUG Discussion List. <sgvlug@sgvlug.net> <br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 17, 2012 9:42 PM<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [SGVLUG] job markets and interviews<br></font></div><br><div id="yiv1592130046"><div>Matti,</div><div><br></div><div> I really enjoyed your info! I am still in school and was looking to see hopefully to get some experience while in school so that by the time I graduate, I have more than just that
requirement, I have the experience that many require as well. Being that I'm new to this I don't know how realistic it is for me to think this is possible. I read Dans email and am currently working to learning the skill sets required to apply for his internship. But what do you guys recommend for a beginner in programming, currently still learning C an plan to move up gradually, but I notice on these emails I half the time don't understand . So what kind of studying can I do, aside from school, to learn these things in advanced. Mostly pertaining to programming. Books or anything... Thanks in advanced.<br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On Apr 17, 2012, at 8:23 PM, matti <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:mathew_2000@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:mathew_2000@yahoo.com">mathew_2000@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div style="font-size: 10pt; "><div>Hi Julie,</div><div><br></div><div>I have heard of this,
however, I doubt we will see this happen</div><div>with a lot of the tech jobs ( at least the ones which require <br></div><div>experience ). Probably will see it with other jobs.</div><div><br></div><div>Interviews take time. You can easily expect to take a good 1/2</div><div>day on an on site interview. ( also recruiters may want to see</div><div>you in person also before submitting you to a position. )<br></div><div>Most of the time, they will have you interview with multiple</div><div>people on the same day.</div><div><br></div><div>Since there are very many tech job openings currently for those with</div><div>experience my guess is that if the companies spend too much</div><div>time dragging their feet they will miss a chance to pickup <br></div><div>talent.</div><div><br></div><div>The funny thing I still see, is the ads on Craigslist asking for the</div><div>world in experience for tech skilled "interns and students" and
saying it will be a <br></div><div>good experience and they will pay for your ( gas | lunch | parking | twinkie )</div><div>but not basically pay you, or if they do pay only $10/hr for someone who</div><div>really should be getting paid better ( judging by the requirements.. )<br></div><div><br></div><div>Honestly I hope any of these "interns" just go into business themselves,</div><div>as they will probably do better.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Also, I am seeing still some 3rd parties who will be getting a great cut</div><div>out of your wages for a short term contract and want to pay you less</div><div>than what others are willing to pay for your skills full time.</div><div><br></div><div>Honestly, I think they will have a hard time to fill those positions,</div><div>especially those in the Bay Area.</div><div><br></div><div>What I am also seeing now is that the recruiters are young (i.e. not as</div><div>experienced as I have seen in the
past. ) and may have only</div><div>been doing this job for 1-2years. Some are much better than</div><div>others, but sometimes I wonder if they aren't just cold calling</div><div>the HR manager in the first place. A good recruiter should be</div><div>able to get your resume reviewed by the hiring manager.. or</div><div>so you hope.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Often I have gotten approached by several recruiters for the same</div><div>position. ( you have to be careful, you only want to be submitted</div><div>once to that job or your resume may get rejected.. )</div><div><br></div><div>Going to interviews I have found areas which I needed to brush up on,</div><div>as it seems everyone likes to quiz you on tech. So, even if you go</div><div>on a few interviews and get no job offer you will learn what you</div><div>need to focus more on in terms of skill set.<br></div><div><br></div><div>The hard part I still see out there is the "catch 22", needing
a</div><div>particular type of experience before you can get the job which</div><div>will give you that experience.</div><div><br></div><div>Thankfully, linux and cloud computing as made this very affordable</div><div>to learn. HOWEVER, if you are in a tight position financially even</div><div>a minimal cost can break your monthly budget.</div><div><br></div><div>Hope this was useful! <br></div><div><br></div><div>thanks</div><div>matti</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><br><div style="font-size: 10pt; "><div style="font-size: 12pt; "><div dir="ltr"><font face="Arial" size="2"><hr size="1"><b>From:</b> Julie <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:tearsea88@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:tearsea88@yahoo.com">tearsea88@yahoo.com</a>><br><b>To:</b> "<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:sgvlug@sgvlug.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:sgvlug@sgvlug.org">sgvlug@sgvlug.org</a>" <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:sgvlug@sgvlug.org"
target="_blank" href="mailto:sgvlug@sgvlug.org">sgvlug@sgvlug.org</a>> <br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 17, 2012 11:48 PM<br><b>Subject:</b> [SGVLUG] job markets and interviews<br></font></div><br><div id="yiv1592130046"><div style="font-size: 12pt; "><div><font face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif">Have you also experienced something like this too, Matti?</font></div><div><font face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif">http://lifeinc.today.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/04/16/11163033-job-candidates-purgatory-multiple-interviews-per-job?lite</font></div><div><font face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif"><br></font></div><br></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br></div></div></div></div></body></html>