But those are including the oil sands; more BTUs worth of natural gas are used to extract the petroleum than the BTU value of the petrol itself. <br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2008/5/14 Christopher Smith <<a href="mailto:cbsmith@gmail.com">cbsmith@gmail.com</a>>:<br>
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Sadly, like most things about oil, we tend to be fairly misinformed.<br>
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<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_reserves#Canada" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_reserves#Canada</a><br>
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Actually, Canada is #2 now that oil prices are so high, and that's NOT
including suspected massive reserves in the Arctic. Furthermore, there
is a fair bit of evidence that most OPEC nations overstate their
reserves in order to have a larger share of quotas, so it is possible
Canada is already #1 in terms of "real" reserves.<br>
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Dan Borne wrote:
<blockquote type="cite">Canada does not have as large petrol or gas reserves as
the US, Russia, Saudia Arabia and some others.<br>
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Sorry, I do not understand your connexion. <br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">2008/5/14 Christopher Smith <<a href="mailto:x@xman.org" target="_blank">x@xman.org</a>>:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Yeah,
just like it was during our last energy crisis. :-)<br>
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As the price of petrochemicals goes up, so do the options for oil and
gas producers. If the prices get much higher, Canada may become the
richest source of oil reserves in the world within a few years. Not to
mention that wind power starts to become a really nice alternative to
coal/gas/oil, reducing our need to consume it for power generation.<br>
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--Chris<br>
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<div>Well quite soon oil production levels will
fall; it is reaching its peak.<br>
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2008/5/14 Christopher Smith <<a href="mailto:x@xman.org" target="_blank">x@xman.org</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:x@xman.org" target="_blank">x@xman.org</a>>>:
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I blogged about this phenomena a fair while back:<br>
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<a href="http://blog.360.yahoo.com/blog-NGG_XKMyebVXpbF6EpCU?p=193" target="_blank">http://blog.360.yahoo.com/blog-NGG_XKMyebVXpbF6EpCU?p=193</a><br>
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That said, oil production levels aren't growing too quickly these<br>
days, so energy conservation measures (particularly significant<br>
ones, like driving less and/or driving more fuel efficient<br>
vehicles) really are the most effective way for us to alter the<br>
supply/demand situation in the short term. In the long term, you<br>
need some other source of energy (see:<br>
<a href="http://google.org/rec.html" target="_blank">http://google.org/rec.html</a>) to become more cost
effective than<br>
petrochemicals to really have a lasting impact.<br>
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--Chris<br>
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Dan Borne wrote:<br>
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I would be willing to bet that that is so (especially in Los<br>
Angeles) but I mean does converting ever car into a hybrid<br>
really do much in terms of energy savings? I would be willing<br>
to bet that in a sort time the energy consumption of the world<br>
would soon reach pre-hybrid levels.<br>
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2008/5/14 Rae Yip <<a href="mailto:rae.yip@gmail.com" target="_blank">rae.yip@gmail.com</a><br>
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<mailto:<a href="mailto:rae.yip@gmail.com" target="_blank">rae.yip@gmail.com</a>>>>:<br>
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Don't forget regenerative braking; this is a big win for<br>
hybrid and<br>
electric vehicles because it saves wear and tear on the<br>
brake pads as<br>
well as improving mileage.<br>
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So even if the Prius loses 1/3 of the energy it stores in the<br>
batteries, much of that energy would simply have been<br>
discarded in a<br>
regular car - 100% loss!<br>
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Naturally, you don't something for nothing. As people have<br>
said,<br>
there's added weight. But I doubt the auto makers would add a<br>
component that wasn't a net gain, and the real world data<br>
bears it<br>
out.<br>
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In stop-and-go traffic (is there any other sort in LA?),<br>
I'm fairly<br>
certain hybrid vehicles are more efficient, no matter how<br>
well you<br>
follow your car's fuel consumption map.<br>
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-Rae.<br>
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