[SGVLUG] ATT DSL Gateway choices, which gateway do you like?

[Doug]

Yeah, even their new router/modem can't really do bridging well. If you want to configure your equipment at all, stay far, faaaar away from the motorola nvg510...

Eric Gillingham <gillingham at bikezen.net> wrote:

>I should note both the 2wire uverse router and the normal dsl modem att
>provided to me had a bridge mode setting I used just fine to bypass their
>lack of functionality.
>On Aug 13, 2012 3:22 PM, "Dan Buthusiem" <dan.buthusiem at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Oh, and Doug, just buy a cheapie single port ADSL2+ modem and put it into
>> bridge mode. Make sure you set the DSL config to VPI 0 / VCI 35, then use
>> the router of your choice. 2Wire equipment doesn't seem to be made with the
>> end user's needs in mind. If you're a regular home user, it'll suffice. If
>> you're a nerd (hint: if you're on our list, you probably resemble that
>> description - one of us, one of us), you'll learn to hate them the more you
>> try to push it.
>> On Aug 13, 2012 2:58 PM, "Dan Buthusiem" <dan.buthusiem at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I deal with them regularly, and anything I haven't learned from their
>>> Level 2 techs, I got from digging through forums, wikipedia links, and over
>>> 5 years of trial and error at work. Glad I could be of service. If Matti
>>> still needs a spare modem, I still have it ready to lend. Also, I'm happy
>>> to answer any other questions if anyone has them. :)
>>>
>>> - Dan B.
>>> On Aug 13, 2012 2:12 PM, "Matthew Campbell" <dvdmatt at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Nice explanation Dan, great support too.  I wish they would take a
>>>> lesson from you!
>>>>
>>>> We all really appreciate useful responses like this one from our
>>>> friends.  This really is a great LUG.
>>>>
>>>> Matt
>>>>  On Aug 13, 2012 8:10 AM, "Dan Buthusiem" <dan.buthusiem at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Doug, can you get me your line levels? In the usual screens for that
>>>>> info, there should be something labeled "_____ path" with either
>>>>> 'interleaved' or 'fast' as a value. Fast path gives you lower pings
>>>>> (10-20ms), but is less resilient against noise. Interleaved can handle
>>>>> noisier lines, at a cost of having a higher ping (45-70ms). My guess is the
>>>>> tech changed your config in the DSLAM to compensate for a deteriorating
>>>>> line. A Level 2 tech can explain it to you if you're savvy enough to hold
>>>>> on to all the frequency explanations. You can have the tech remotely change
>>>>> you back to fast path if you're on interleaved, but if you start having
>>>>> sync problems, you'll have to go back.
>>>>> On Aug 13, 2012 1:28 AM, "Doug" <dougvargas at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Ugh story of my life...I USED to have under 10ms ping to my favorite
>>>>>> counter strike server, att came out and made "repairs" and now I'm lucky if
>>>>>> I get 50, it's a great quantitative measurement of how much they suck lol.
>>>>>> Not to mention that their static ip service comes with a router THAT WON'T
>>>>>> ROUTE IP ADDRESSES. I'm going to be switching isps, my deepest sympathies
>>>>>> that you can't :(
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Matthew Campbell <dvdmatt at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >I have uVerse and POTS.  They never asked me to drop one for the
>>>>>> other.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >I had a 6Mbit connection for years, then AT&T 'upgraded' wiring in our
>>>>>> >neighborhood and my rate dropped to 2.  I called, I complained, I
>>>>>> ranted
>>>>>> >and raved and they insisted that I had never had better than 2 and
>>>>>> that I
>>>>>> >should go away.  I ended up having to cut the wire to my house and
>>>>>> hook the
>>>>>> >modem up outside to show them the poor rate.  They came out and fixed
>>>>>> it,
>>>>>> >back to 6Mb/s finally!  Four weeks later it dropped back to 2.  I
>>>>>> ranted
>>>>>> >and raved and they eventually fixed it.  Four months later it dropped
>>>>>> >again.  This time they fixed it in 48 hours.  All in all, just
>>>>>> counting the
>>>>>> >hours I have logged I have spent 92 unpaid hours on the phone with
>>>>>> AT&T
>>>>>> >sorting out their incorrect billing or crappy service over the last 2
>>>>>> years.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >They are the worst company I have ever had the misfortune to deal
>>>>>> with.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >And they have the government backed monopoly in my neighborhood, no
>>>>>> way to
>>>>>> >change to anything else.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >Matt
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >P.S.  In their favor their billing was never off more than $500 and
>>>>>> they
>>>>>> >didn't cut my service more than twice due to their own internal
>>>>>> billing
>>>>>> >mistakes.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >---------
>>>>>> >*Matthew Campbell*
>>>>>> >Storage Solution Consultant
>>>>>> >Storage Design and Engineering
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >*Kaiser Permanente*
>>>>>> >IMG-Systems Integration
>>>>>> >99 S. Oakland
>>>>>> >Pasadena, CA 91101
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >626-564-7228 (office)
>>>>>> >8-338-7228 (tie-line)
>>>>>> >818-314-9897 (mobile phone)
>>>>>> >Green Center 3-North, 031W29
>>>>>> >---------
>>>>>> >*kp.org/thrive*
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 5:43 PM, Scott Packard <spackard at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >> > Just make sure you still have a regular copper drop in the event
>>>>>> of an
>>>>>> >> emergency. Sure, the VoIP gateway has a hefty battery backup, but I
>>>>>> still
>>>>>> >> prefer having an old fashioned phone line just in case (911 doesn't
>>>>>> require
>>>>>> >> a phone service account with telco, just a working jack with dial
>>>>>> tone).
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> You can't.  If you sign up for Uverse they force you off of POTS.
>>>>>> >> I've been there, tried that.  Fought that.  Wrote letters.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Regards, Scott
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 5:28 PM, Dan Buthusiem <
>>>>>> dan.buthusiem at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>> Just make sure you still have a regular copper drop in the event
>>>>>> of an
>>>>>> >>> emergency. Sure, the VoIP gateway has a hefty battery backup, but
>>>>>> I still
>>>>>> >>> prefer having an old fashioned phone line just in case (911
>>>>>> doesn't require
>>>>>> >>> a phone service account with telco, just a working jack with dial
>>>>>> tone).
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>
>>>>>