[SGVLUG] job markets and interviews

[Jesse Garcia]

I have both types of tutorials on my computer, but want to learn and really grasp C and than go from there! Good? An I am a junior majoring in CS

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On Apr 17, 2012, at 9:58 PM, Julie <tearsea88 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> If you want to do mobile naively:
> 
> Apple = Objective C
> Android = Java
> 
> There are various software out there that uses HTML5, CSS, JavaScript that would compile them for you.
> 
> CS degree or Engineering?  Which year?
> 
> From: Jesse Garcia <aicrag11 at gmail.com>
> To: SGVLUG Discussion List. <sgvlug at sgvlug.net> 
> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 9:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [SGVLUG] job markets and interviews
> 
> Software most likely, but I'd like to do mobile in the mean time, but I think I'm going to focus on software development in my degree. I go to csuf
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Apr 17, 2012, at 9:51 PM, Julie <tearsea88 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
>> Which area do you want to go into?  Hardware?  Software?  Application development?  web based?  desktop based?  mobile based?
>> 
>> From: Jesse Garcia <aicrag11 at gmail.com>
>> To: SGVLUG Discussion List. <sgvlug at sgvlug.net> 
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 9:42 PM
>> Subject: Re: [SGVLUG] job markets and interviews
>> 
>> Matti,
>> 
>>  I really enjoyed your info! I am still in school and was looking to see hopefully to get some experience while in school so that by the time I graduate, I have more than just that requirement, I have the experience that many require as well. Being that I'm new to this I don't know how realistic it is for me to think this is possible. I read Dans email and am currently working to learning the skill sets required to apply for his internship. But what do you guys recommend for a beginner in programming, currently still learning C an plan to move up gradually, but I notice on these emails I half the time don't understand . So what kind of studying can I do, aside from school, to learn these things in advanced. Mostly pertaining to programming. Books or anything... Thanks in advanced.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Apr 17, 2012, at 8:23 PM, matti <mathew_2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Julie,
>>> 
>>> I have heard of this, however, I doubt we will see this happen
>>> with a lot of the tech jobs ( at least the ones which require 
>>> experience ). Probably will see it with other jobs.
>>> 
>>> Interviews take time. You can easily expect to take a good 1/2
>>> day on an on site interview. ( also recruiters  may want to see
>>> you in person also before submitting you to a position. )
>>> Most of the time, they will have you interview with multiple
>>> people on the same day.
>>> 
>>> Since there are very many tech job openings currently for those with
>>> experience my guess is that if the companies spend too much
>>> time dragging their feet they will miss a chance to pickup 
>>> talent.
>>> 
>>> The funny thing I still see, is the ads on Craigslist asking for the
>>> world in experience for tech skilled "interns and students" and saying it will be a 
>>> good experience and they will pay for your ( gas | lunch | parking | twinkie )
>>> but not basically pay you, or if they do pay only $10/hr for someone who
>>> really should be getting paid better ( judging by the requirements.. )
>>> 
>>> Honestly I hope any of these "interns" just go into business themselves,
>>> as they will probably do better.
>>> 
>>> Also, I am seeing still some 3rd parties who will be getting a great cut
>>> out of your wages for a short term contract and want to pay you less
>>> than what others are willing to pay for your skills full time.
>>> 
>>> Honestly, I think they will have a hard time to fill those positions,
>>> especially those in the Bay Area.
>>> 
>>> What I am also seeing now is that the recruiters are young (i.e. not as
>>> experienced as I have seen in the past. ) and may have only
>>> been doing this job for 1-2years. Some are much better than
>>> others, but sometimes I wonder if they aren't just cold calling
>>> the HR manager in the first place. A good recruiter should be
>>> able to get your resume reviewed by the hiring manager.. or
>>> so you hope.
>>> 
>>> Often I have gotten approached by several recruiters for the same
>>> position. ( you have to be careful, you only want to be submitted
>>> once to that job or your resume may get rejected.. )
>>> 
>>> Going to interviews I have found areas which I needed to brush up on,
>>> as it seems everyone likes to quiz you on tech. So, even if you go
>>> on a few interviews and get no job offer you will learn what you
>>> need to focus more on in terms of skill set.
>>> 
>>> The hard part I still see out there is the "catch 22", needing a
>>> particular type of experience before you can get the job which
>>> will give you that experience.
>>> 
>>> Thankfully, linux and cloud computing as made this very affordable
>>> to learn. HOWEVER, if you are in a tight position financially even
>>> a minimal cost can break your monthly budget.
>>> 
>>> Hope this was useful! 
>>> 
>>> thanks
>>> matti
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: Julie <tearsea88 at yahoo.com>
>>> To: "sgvlug at sgvlug.org" <sgvlug at sgvlug.org> 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 11:48 PM
>>> Subject: [SGVLUG] job markets and interviews
>>> 
>>> Have you also experienced something like this too, Matti?
>>> 
>>> http://lifeinc.today.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/04/16/11163033-job-candidates-purgatory-multiple-interviews-per-job?lite
>>> 
>>> 
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